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		<title>By: Cesar Jx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cesar Jx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didnt know that version!!!!
Until now, i never saw the traslation &quot;Do not practice homosexuality&quot; or &quot;if a man practices homosexuality&quot; 
All the versions i ever known was the ones without that statement.

I think that those kind of traslations are made for discrimination, there are no such a word in greek or hebrew that could be translated as &quot;homosexuality&quot;. This is why:

Because the word homosexuality has been used and formed, since the 19th century... malakoi or arsenokoitai are used in that verse of Leviticus... and they... dont refer to homosexuality as we know today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didnt know that version!!!!<br />
Until now, i never saw the traslation &quot;Do not practice homosexuality&quot; or &quot;if a man practices homosexuality&quot;<br />
All the versions i ever known was the ones without that statement.</p>
<p>I think that those kind of traslations are made for discrimination, there are no such a word in greek or hebrew that could be translated as &quot;homosexuality&quot;. This is why:</p>
<p>Because the word homosexuality has been used and formed, since the 19th century&#8230; malakoi or arsenokoitai are used in that verse of Leviticus&#8230; and they&#8230; dont refer to homosexuality as we know today.</p>
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		<title>By: Diakonos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diakonos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 04:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steppredd,

hey man. I don&#039;t intend for this to sound like an argument... But i have to say something. You asked &quot;doesn&#039;t the Bible teach love, understanding, and truth?!&quot;
The answer is: Yes.

Bro, i can say that i love you (i have no idea if you&#039;re even going to look at this thread again!) but, i love you. I can say that with honesty, because if you are a child of God, and a member of Christ&#039;s family, then you and i are united by His Spirit, which unifies us and leads us into truth, understanding, and love. If you believe in Christ&#039;s sacrifice, then i assume you believe that what he says in Scripture is true (Because it really is HIM speaking in the Bible... not just men). What you read in this post was not Mike&#039;s, Frank&#039;s or Scott&#039;s ideas: those thoughts were written down nearly 2000 years ago, and the ones from the Old Testament, maybe over 5000 years ago. Those thoughts about sexual sin and sexual purity are as old as God, because God has never changed His mind or His position on sin.
I sin when i lust. You sin when you lust. Whether it be after man or woman, lust is a sin. Any act of sexuality outside the confines (and safety) of marriage is called adultery. So what does that make us? if we sin out of lust, or if we act out on that lust, we are indeed adulterers. Would you disagree with this statement?

if you don&#039;t disagree with me on that statement, why do you disagree on the passages dealing with homosexuality?
my aim is not to condemn or belittle... not at all. But i want to help you see truth, and understand exactly what God&#039;s love can do. When dealing with the very worst of sinners, Christ did not condemn them, or call them hopeless, or unchangeable... He showed grace, gave them forgiveness, and then called them to repentance: To turn from the sin (which they were committing) and let Christ CHANGE them from who they were without Him, to the very IMAGE of Himself. Our goal should be Christlikeness, not self approval.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steppredd,</p>
<p>hey man. I don&#8217;t intend for this to sound like an argument&#8230; But i have to say something. You asked &quot;doesn&#8217;t the Bible teach love, understanding, and truth?!&quot;<br />
The answer is: Yes.</p>
<p>Bro, i can say that i love you (i have no idea if you&#8217;re even going to look at this thread again!) but, i love you. I can say that with honesty, because if you are a child of God, and a member of Christ&#8217;s family, then you and i are united by His Spirit, which unifies us and leads us into truth, understanding, and love. If you believe in Christ&#8217;s sacrifice, then i assume you believe that what he says in Scripture is true (Because it really is HIM speaking in the Bible&#8230; not just men). What you read in this post was not Mike&#8217;s, Frank&#8217;s or Scott&#8217;s ideas: those thoughts were written down nearly 2000 years ago, and the ones from the Old Testament, maybe over 5000 years ago. Those thoughts about sexual sin and sexual purity are as old as God, because God has never changed His mind or His position on sin.<br />
I sin when i lust. You sin when you lust. Whether it be after man or woman, lust is a sin. Any act of sexuality outside the confines (and safety) of marriage is called adultery. So what does that make us? if we sin out of lust, or if we act out on that lust, we are indeed adulterers. Would you disagree with this statement?</p>
<p>if you don&#8217;t disagree with me on that statement, why do you disagree on the passages dealing with homosexuality?<br />
my aim is not to condemn or belittle&#8230; not at all. But i want to help you see truth, and understand exactly what God&#8217;s love can do. When dealing with the very worst of sinners, Christ did not condemn them, or call them hopeless, or unchangeable&#8230; He showed grace, gave them forgiveness, and then called them to repentance: To turn from the sin (which they were committing) and let Christ CHANGE them from who they were without Him, to the very IMAGE of Himself. Our goal should be Christlikeness, not self approval.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Carrasco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Carrasco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sawah, actually, Romans chapter 1:26 says that Women exchanged their natural desires for those that were against nature. and the next verse also says that Men also burned with lust for other men. regardless of whether or not the bible mentiones lesbianism or not, we can know that its still prohibitted because of the prohibitions put on men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sawah, actually, Romans chapter 1:26 says that Women exchanged their natural desires for those that were against nature. and the next verse also says that Men also burned with lust for other men. regardless of whether or not the bible mentiones lesbianism or not, we can know that its still prohibitted because of the prohibitions put on men.</p>
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		<title>By: sawah19</title>
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		<dc:creator>sawah19</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the bible it only says stuff about gay men not women! just thought id point that out lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the bible it only says stuff about gay men not women! just thought id point that out lol</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steppredd,

Thanks for writing, even though you obviously disagree. Your comments are a really common misunderstanding of what we&#039;re trying to say -- we &lt;b&gt;never&lt;/b&gt; say that God doesn&#039;t love you, or that it&#039;s wrong to love people of the same sex - we&#039;re simply saying that God didn&#039;t create us to have sex with others of the same gender! Sex and love aren&#039;t exactly the same thing...

Check out this article we wrote all about it. I hope this helps you understand where we are coming from when it comes to love:
http://exodusyouth.net/2007/12/12/why-is-it-wrong-to-love-someone-of-the-same-sex/

You have a bunch of other thoughts in there that are hard to answer all at once. I think the main issue has to do with whether God &quot;made you gay&quot; and that you&#039;re being judged unfairly for something you can&#039;t control.

There&#039;s a lot about these topics on our websites, but let me sum it up:

- God didn&#039;t make you gay. He made you human, and either male or female

- So where did your homosexual feelings come from if God didn&#039;t give them to you? Well, like all the different things we are drawn to that are wrong (as you say, everyone sins), they didn&#039;t come from God - they come from a complex mix of our environment, personality, and sinful nature. Here are some common roots that lead to homosexual feelings: http://exodus.to/content/view/82/55/

- The kind of &quot;judgment&quot; that the Bible tells us not to make is when we condemn other people and pretend like we don&#039;t have any sins in our own lives. That&#039;s hypocrisy, and we are very careful not to do it.

- But we are supposed to judge between sinful behavior and godly behavior-- that just means to know the difference between them and to speak honestly about it. The Bible is very clear that any sexual behavior that is not between a husband and wife is sin. And that very clearly includes any homosexual behavior. So all we&#039;re doing here is helping people understand how God commands us to live. 

- It&#039;s obviously up to you whether you want to obey God or not. Our goal here is to let people know what God says about it (not us, Him), and to help those who choose to live in obedience to God.

Ok, hope that all makes some sense. If you choose to follow after God in the area of your sexuality, we would love to help however we can. It&#039;s obviously not the easiest thing to choose not to be controlled by your sexual feelings. But it&#039;s very possible, and it&#039;s a very good thing to do!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steppredd,</p>
<p>Thanks for writing, even though you obviously disagree. Your comments are a really common misunderstanding of what we&#8217;re trying to say &#8212; we <b>never</b> say that God doesn&#8217;t love you, or that it&#8217;s wrong to love people of the same sex &#8211; we&#8217;re simply saying that God didn&#8217;t create us to have sex with others of the same gender! Sex and love aren&#8217;t exactly the same thing&#8230;</p>
<p>Check out this article we wrote all about it. I hope this helps you understand where we are coming from when it comes to love:<br />
<a href="http://exodusyouth.net/2007/12/12/why-is-it-wrong-to-love-someone-of-the-same-sex/" rel="nofollow">http://exodusyouth.net/2007/12/12/why-is-it-wrong-to-love-someone-of-the-same-sex/</a></p>
<p>You have a bunch of other thoughts in there that are hard to answer all at once. I think the main issue has to do with whether God &#8220;made you gay&#8221; and that you&#8217;re being judged unfairly for something you can&#8217;t control.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot about these topics on our websites, but let me sum it up:</p>
<p>- God didn&#8217;t make you gay. He made you human, and either male or female</p>
<p>- So where did your homosexual feelings come from if God didn&#8217;t give them to you? Well, like all the different things we are drawn to that are wrong (as you say, everyone sins), they didn&#8217;t come from God &#8211; they come from a complex mix of our environment, personality, and sinful nature. Here are some common roots that lead to homosexual feelings: <a href="http://exodus.to/content/view/82/55/" rel="nofollow">http://exodus.to/content/view/82/55/</a></p>
<p>- The kind of &#8220;judgment&#8221; that the Bible tells us not to make is when we condemn other people and pretend like we don&#8217;t have any sins in our own lives. That&#8217;s hypocrisy, and we are very careful not to do it.</p>
<p>- But we are supposed to judge between sinful behavior and godly behavior&#8211; that just means to know the difference between them and to speak honestly about it. The Bible is very clear that any sexual behavior that is not between a husband and wife is sin. And that very clearly includes any homosexual behavior. So all we&#8217;re doing here is helping people understand how God commands us to live. </p>
<p>- It&#8217;s obviously up to you whether you want to obey God or not. Our goal here is to let people know what God says about it (not us, Him), and to help those who choose to live in obedience to God.</p>
<p>Ok, hope that all makes some sense. If you choose to follow after God in the area of your sexuality, we would love to help however we can. It&#8217;s obviously not the easiest thing to choose not to be controlled by your sexual feelings. But it&#8217;s very possible, and it&#8217;s a very good thing to do!</p>
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		<title>By: Steppredd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steppredd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 22:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont understand how people of god can sit and judge others. I am gay and I am also a child of god. God loves me unconditionaly, look it up, its in the bible to. That means even if Im gay. His greatest comandment in life is LOVE. I love this person, they love me. That is not wrong, I feel god deals with us, and no one has the right to try and make us what they want us to be. You cant make yourself not be attracted to a person of the oppesit sex. What makes you think I can make my self not be attracted to the same sex. God made me in the way he wanted to , how can anyone debate that. You dont know what god has planned for my life, A sin is a sin, we were born into sin. NO ONEs is any greater than the other, so listen to god and what he has in store for you. I know he loves me and that Im going to heaven and if god has a diff. plan for me in life then he will let me know. But I do know that the prayer I said on the day I was saved was between me and god. His son died for all beleivers(ALL) nnot just strait ones. Dosent the bible teach love, understanding, and truth!! Can you honestly say you know what gods plan for me is, Can you say my relationship is unhealthy without judging it with what you beleive gods word says, key word is you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont understand how people of god can sit and judge others. I am gay and I am also a child of god. God loves me unconditionaly, look it up, its in the bible to. That means even if Im gay. His greatest comandment in life is LOVE. I love this person, they love me. That is not wrong, I feel god deals with us, and no one has the right to try and make us what they want us to be. You cant make yourself not be attracted to a person of the oppesit sex. What makes you think I can make my self not be attracted to the same sex. God made me in the way he wanted to , how can anyone debate that. You dont know what god has planned for my life, A sin is a sin, we were born into sin. NO ONEs is any greater than the other, so listen to god and what he has in store for you. I know he loves me and that Im going to heaven and if god has a diff. plan for me in life then he will let me know. But I do know that the prayer I said on the day I was saved was between me and god. His son died for all beleivers(ALL) nnot just strait ones. Dosent the bible teach love, understanding, and truth!! Can you honestly say you know what gods plan for me is, Can you say my relationship is unhealthy without judging it with what you beleive gods word says, key word is you.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>liz, friendships can get really confusing when they move past healthy levels of closeness and become exclusive (sharing special secrets, spending lots of time alone together, keeping other people at a distance so the one person can be closer).

Sometimes the only thing to do is make a clean break with an unhealthy friendship. But you can certainly try putting the friendship back into a healthy place. For a start, I would suggest:

* pursuing other friendships (so your friendship with this one person isn&#039;t so exclusive
* spend less time together
* don&#039;t spend any time alone together - always bring along another friend

We also have a new article that might help:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://exodusyouth.net/2008/11/03/i-love-my-friend/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I Love My Friend&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>liz, friendships can get really confusing when they move past healthy levels of closeness and become exclusive (sharing special secrets, spending lots of time alone together, keeping other people at a distance so the one person can be closer).</p>
<p>Sometimes the only thing to do is make a clean break with an unhealthy friendship. But you can certainly try putting the friendship back into a healthy place. For a start, I would suggest:</p>
<p>* pursuing other friendships (so your friendship with this one person isn&#8217;t so exclusive<br />
* spend less time together<br />
* don&#8217;t spend any time alone together &#8211; always bring along another friend</p>
<p>We also have a new article that might help:<br />
<a href="http://exodusyouth.net/2008/11/03/i-love-my-friend/" rel="nofollow">I Love My Friend</a></p>
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		<title>By: liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 23:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m straight. I have no sexual attractions towards girls and desire to be with a man and have a family and children one day. I have a problem though. One of my closest friends who is always there for me and me for her and helped eachother through everything somehow got too close and somehow became more than friends, neither of us ever wanting it or expecting it. It&#039;s been like this for 9 months now and we don&#039;t know what to do. I love her and don&#039;t understand how I can feel like this towards her. I want to follow God&#039;s plan for me but I don&#039;t know how to be just her friend now. Some people have said to cut off contact with her. That is not an option for me. She is one of my closest friends ever and will always be. How do we become just friends again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m straight. I have no sexual attractions towards girls and desire to be with a man and have a family and children one day. I have a problem though. One of my closest friends who is always there for me and me for her and helped eachother through everything somehow got too close and somehow became more than friends, neither of us ever wanting it or expecting it. It&#8217;s been like this for 9 months now and we don&#8217;t know what to do. I love her and don&#8217;t understand how I can feel like this towards her. I want to follow God&#8217;s plan for me but I don&#8217;t know how to be just her friend now. Some people have said to cut off contact with her. That is not an option for me. She is one of my closest friends ever and will always be. How do we become just friends again?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zy, it sounds like you are confused with some feelings you&#039;re having that you don&#039;t want, and don&#039;t want to follow. That&#039;s not unusual! Check out this article and post a comment there if you have more questions:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://exodusyouth.net/2008/10/29/i-have-boyfriends-but-i-am-afraid-i-might-be-a-lesbian/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I have boyfriends, but I’m afraid I might be a lesbian&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zy, it sounds like you are confused with some feelings you&#8217;re having that you don&#8217;t want, and don&#8217;t want to follow. That&#8217;s not unusual! Check out this article and post a comment there if you have more questions:<br />
<a href="http://exodusyouth.net/2008/10/29/i-have-boyfriends-but-i-am-afraid-i-might-be-a-lesbian/" rel="nofollow">I have boyfriends, but I’m afraid I might be a lesbian</a></p>
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		<title>By: zy</title>
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		<dc:creator>zy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 06:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fall in love with a girl and she also love me that much. We&#039;re not lesbians but fall inlove with each other. We&#039;re happy since the day we found each other. Until we made commitment with each other. What will I do now? I really love her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fall in love with a girl and she also love me that much. We&#8217;re not lesbians but fall inlove with each other. We&#8217;re happy since the day we found each other. Until we made commitment with each other. What will I do now? I really love her.</p>
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